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Cannibals and Quicksand: Ali Rushfield and I were talking and she said, “I have an idea for a song. What if you write a song about all the things in childhood that were like folklore or weird concepts? You know, like cannibals and quicksand.” Then I started writing a song about how I wish I had known her when I was little. Our paths crossed a lot, but we didn’t really connect until we were like fifteen or sixteen. It’s about how my life would have been better had we connected when we were younger. It also talks about what we did when we first became friends, where we were at that point, and where we will be later. It’s my love song to Ali, and Leslie, and Alana too.


Leaving Home: I wanted to go to South by Southwest when the last record came out. I had a show booked and so did Steve. I don’t remember how I wanted to get there, but it was a real big issue for me because I didn’t want to leave the house. The whole record is about agoraphobia, ultimately, or my version of that. I wanted to turn it in to a road trip, not just kamikaze, drive there all night, get there in two days, play a show, leave the next day, and drive straight home. I wanted to make it like a vacation. Steve didn’t want to, and I couldn’t fathom doing it the way he wanted to do it. I couldn’t do it the way I wanted to do it without him. I didn’t want to go without him because I had so many issues with traveling, and fear, and stuff. So, he went without me and I cancelled my show. That was definitely not the first time things like that happened in my life. I cancelled a lot of things because I didn’t want to travel.

“Leaving Home” was originally a rock song, very anthemic. It was super rock, and that’s the one where I decided guitars are forbidden. Then I turned all of the guitar parts into string parts and made the bass a piano instead of a guitar.


Our Love: Steve said, “Can’t you write a nice song about us?” And I said, “I’m sorry. This is an apology song. I’m sorry.”